Two Coats Conversations

Two Coats of Paint uses social audio platforms, such as the Clubhouse and Twitter apps, to present discussions about art and the art world. These phone apps are like talk radio — live conversations and audience discussions, unedited, and presented in the moment. Our goal is to provide interesting art content for studio listening. To join the conversation, readers must download the app and follow Two Coats of Paint in order to get notifications of upcoming events.

Recorded conversations are available here and on our archive page after each event. Readers can also subscribe to Two Coats of Paint Conversations on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, IHeart Radio, and Google Podcasts.


Conjunctions, Addenda, Commutations: A Conversation with Raphael Rubinstein and Sharon Butler / Recorded live on Saturday, October 8, 2022, at 2 pm, at Jennifer Baahng Gallery, 790 Madison Avenue, New York, NY

A BAAHNG SPOTLIGHT Production. Produced by Jennifer Baahng Gallery / Noted poet and art critic Raphael Rubinstein sat down with artist and Two Coats of Paint publisher Sharon Butler to discuss “Next Moves,” Butler’s solo exhibition at Jennifer Baahng Gallery. In this BAAHNG SPOTLIGHT event, Rubinstein and Butler explore the nature of conjunctions, addenda, commutations, and the many ways artists navigate the passages from one body of work to the next.

Episode Links: A video of the conversation is available at BAAHNG SPOTLIGHT Conversations . Other links: Sharon Butler “Next Moves” at Jennifer Baahng Gallery / Sharon Butler Instagram Drawings / Raphael Rubinstein website and gallery project “The Silo” / Two Coats of Paint / Barkley Hendricks / Martin Barré / Francis Picabia  


“Creating Live/Work Communities for Older Artists”
Recorded on Clubhouse, Monday, July 25, 2022

Sharon Butler talks to East Village artist Sally Apfelbaum about Art Republic Space, a fiscally sponsored organization that Apfelbaum has created to explore ideas and develop housing models that address the needs of older artists, from live/work space to archiving and storage. “Our goal is to enable older professional artists to keep working and enriching the arts, and culture; to build community, and provide support.”
Episode Links: Episode image courtesy of Sally Apfelbaum / Sally Apfelbuam’s website / Artspace website / Artspace PS109 website / Art Republic Space website /  James Turrell Roden Crater project website / Donors to Roden Crater / Sacramento Warehouse Artist Lofts information



“Catching up with Dangerous Chunky
and Carolyn Zick
Recorded on Clubhouse, Wednesday, June 1, 2022

Artist Carolyn Zick has published the outstanding art blog Dangerous Chunky since 2001 from New York, then Seattle, and now New London, Connecticut. Find out what she’s up to — from writing poetry, drawing, and making books to dealing with a serious cancer diagnosis. Hosted by Sharon Butler. Episode Links: Carolyn Zick’s website / Dangerous Chunky / Carolyn’s “Poets vs. Painters” List / instagram.com/carolynzick/ Chapbook Project/ Seattle people and organizations: Sharon Arnold, Eva Lake, Robert Yoder, Art Dish / Art Bloggers @, the DIY organization formed by Sharon Butler and Joanne Mattera to bring attention to the early art blogging community / Joanne Mattera’s blog / New York Academy of Art / Kimberly Brooks, The New Oil Painting / Jonathan Silver at Victoria Munroe Fine Art / The Crit Lab / “Intimacies,” the exhibition we discussed that features work by Crit Lab members, including Carolyn Zick. 


“Artists Who Build Studios” with Teri Hackett and Steve Hicks
Recorded on Clubhouse, Monday, May 23, 2022


Inspired by “Matisse: The Red Studio,” an absorbing exhibition at MoMA that includes the plans for the outbuilding Matisse designed for his workspace, host Sharon Butler talks to artists Steve Hicks and Teri Hackett about how they decided to build studios and what the process has been like. Episode links: Teri Hackett /  Steve Hicks / Chris Moss / Matisse: The Red Studio /Hansen Pole Buildings / Garage Journal  /Shirk Pole Buildings /


“A Conversation with Pauline Decarmo”
Recorded live at LABspace, Hillsdale, NY, Sunday, May 14, 2022


This is a recording of a conversation between Sharon Butler and Pauline Decarmo about “Exit,” Pauline’s solo show on view at LABspace in Hillsdale, NY, through May 29. Her graphic new paintings are informed by the stress-free days of childhood, when she lived in South Jamaica Queens with her parents and seven siblings, and loved to play the street game Skelly with the other neighborhood kids. The event was hosted by Julie Torres and Ellen Letcher, owners of LABspace. Episode Links: “Pauline Decarmo: Exit,” LABspace, 2642 NY Route 23, Hillsdale NY. Through May 29, 2022 /Details about the event   /Matisse The Red Studio at MoMA” /Jean-Michel Basquiat   / Two Coats of Paint Conversations / Follow the artists on Instagram: Julie Torres / Ellen Letcher / Sharon Butler  / Pauline Decarmo /


“Art Transitions with Paddy Johnson”
Recorded on Twitter Spaces, Monday, April 4,2022


Two Coats of Paint Conversations returns from hiatus with a discussion about transition periods. Every artist and art professional goes through stressful transitions — working in the studio, dealing with gallery relationships, navigating career changes, moving studios, and more. Paddy Johnson, founder of Art F City and VVrkshop, will join Sharon Butler to discuss these challenging (and sometimes inspiring) times.
Episode Links: Paddy Johnson’s website  /  VVkrkshop  /  Calvin Tomkins, “The Monumental Success of Simone Leigh,” The New Yorker, March 28, 2022  /  Gay Hendricks, The Big Leap: Conquer Your Hidden Fear and Take Life to the Next Level /


“An Art-Collecting Collective” hosted by Adam Simon
Recorded on Clubhouse, Monday, February 14, 2022


Adam Simon will discuss a new project in which a group of ten artists banded together to buy a painting collectively. Kate Teale, Jude Tallichet, Elana Herzog, Larry Greenberg, and Sharon Butler join the conversation. Episode links: Adam Simon /  Kate Teale  / Jude Tallichet /   Elana Herzog / Sharon Butler / Studio 10 in Bushwick /  Four Walls / Fine Art Adoption Network / Larry Greenberg’s  show “Slipping Space” at Slag Gallery /  $50 Stock Club for Artists /


“Alexi Worth: Right in Front of Our Faces,” hosted by Sharon Butler
Recorded on Clubhouse, Monday, February 7, 2022


This week artist Alexi Worth will join Sharon to discuss “Nearness” his solo show on view at DC Moore through February 12. Using abstracted shape and simplified color, Alexi’s fleshy new paintings, made during the pandemic, suggest, among other things, an intimate meeting between two people, sipping wine from long stemmed glasses. Episode links: Nearness” at DC Moore / Alexi Worth on Instagram / Tom Burckhardt at George Adams/ Amy Sillman’s article about Louise Fishman in ArtForum / Interview in Bomb with Carroll Dunham about writing / Joshua Marsh at Mother Gallery /  Danica Lundy at Magenta Plains / The Medieval Body at Luhring Augustine / Feminism and the Legacy of Surrealism at Thomas Erben / Rackstraw Downes at Betty Cuningham / Matt Connors  at Canada / Rochelle Feinstein at Candace Madey, Bridget Donahue  / Chie Fueki at DC Moore / Luka Buvoli  / Brenda Goodman at Sikkema Jenkins / Rachel Rose at Gladstone / Olive Ayhens and Ezra Johnson at Platform Project Space in DUMBO  /  Sharon Butler


“Diana Shpungin’s Heartstrong Conceptualism” hosted by Sharon Butler
Recorded on Clubhouse, Monday, January 31, 2022

This week artist Diana Shpungin will discusss “Always Begin At The End” her solo installation on view at Smack Mellon through February 20. She uses common iconography to address loss, memory, empathy and failure between the private and public, personal and political spheres. Episode links: Smack Mellon Exhibition / Diana Shpungin Studio /  Two Coats of Paint 


“Mark Tribe Landscape Pictures,” hosted by Sharon Butler
Recorded on Clubhouse, Monday, January 24, 2022


Mark Tribe joins Sharon to discuss the large-scale, data-generated landscape imagery on view in “Landscape Pictures,” his first solo show at Minus Space. Ecological transition, extinction, the future of our wilderness experience. Click here to listen to a recording of the conversation. Episode links: Minus Space  / Mark Tribe’s Studio / Two Coats of Paint


Monday, January 17, 11:30 am (est)
Location: Clubhouse app

“The Contemporary Grid: Sensitive, Rigorous, Slyly Humorous,” hosted by Sharon Butler
This week artists E.E. Ikeler, Ken Weathersby, and John Jerome O’Connor will join Sharon Butler to discuss the “sensitive, rigorous, and slyly humorous” use of the grid in contemporary painting. O’Connor curated “Emblematica,” a two-person show of Ikeler and Weathersby’s work at Pazo Fine Art. Ikeler also has a solo,”I AM NATURE,” at Essex Flowers through January 29.

Monday, January 10, 11:30 am (est)
Location: Clubhouse app

Painting: Medium-Specificity as Passive-Aggressive Resistance” hosted by Sharon Butler
Art historian and painter Vittorio Colaizzi joins the room to discuss the ideas in “Medium-Specificity as Passive-Aggressive Resistance,” an essay he wrote in conjunction with a group show called “The Shaping of America,” organized by Carrie Patterson at The Painting Center in NYC. With painter Janis Goodman. The exhibition is on view January 4 to 29. Artists include Pam Cardwell, Janis Goodman, Cecily Kahn, Ying Li, Kayla Mohammadi, Deirdre Murphy, Carrie Patterson, Jennifer Printz, Rebecca Rutstein and Kendra Wadsworth.

Monday, January 3, 11:30 am (est)
Location: Clubhouse
“Open Mike: 2022,” hosted by Sharon Butler
Inviting all artists, gallerists, curators, and art writers to join an open conversation about what we are looking forward to in 2022. Everyone will be invited to the stage to share their thoughts about art in the coming year.

Monday, December 27, 11:30 am (est)
Location: Clubhouse
“My Hometown” hosted by Sharon Butler
This week Jenny Dixon, Director Emeritus of the Noguchi Foundation and art advisor, and New York artists Allison Gildersleeve, Xanda McCagg, and Elizabeth Riggle join Sharon to discuss the small seaside town in Southeast Connecticut that connects and informs their work. Special holiday edition. Join the conversation here.

Monday, December 20, 11:30 am (est)
Location: Clubhouse
“On Abstract Painting: A Conversation with Larry Greenberg”
Hosted by Adam Simon, with Sharon Butler / Larry Greenberg, well known as the director of Studio 10 at 56 Bogart Street in Bushwick, is having his first solo show at SLAG in Chelsea. Called “Slipping Space,” the exhibition features cool, formalist abstraction that explores the illusion of space through manipulation of shape, color, and edge. Join us here.

Monday, December 6, 11:30 am (est)
Location: Twitter Spaces
“Miami Edition: Art Fairs We’ve Never Been To, Part 3” hosted by Peter Dudek
Peter Dudek: How can we visit all the art fairs? Should we bother? Which ones did you go to in Miami? I’m sure you’ve been more than I have. Joined by Monika Sosnowski, Sharon Butler and guests.

Monday, November 29, 11:30 am (est)
“Jason Andrew discusses Elizabeth Murray, The Ausable Theater” hosted by Sharon Butler
Art catalyst and curator Jason Andrew will join host Sharon Butler to discuss the Elizabeth Murray exhibition (on view at Gladstone Gallery through December 23), working with the Murray estate, and his new theater project upstate. Artist Norman Jabaut, Andrew’s partner in the theater project, will join us. What has Jason been up to since he was featured in Brooklyn Magazine’s Top 100 Most Influential People in Brooklyn Culture in 2014?

Monday, November 22, 11:30 am (est)
“Vera Iliatova: Akademiya,” hosted by Sharon Butler
Vera Iliatova will join us to talk about the paintings in her exhibition at Nathalie Karg Gallery, on view through December 4. The canvases feature imaginary scenes of girls at boarding schools, inspired by the stories of pre-revolutionary Russian novelist Lidia Charskaya (1875 – 1938) and American pop culture. Iliatova grew up in Leningrad but moved to South Brooklyn, and then Silicon Valley, when she was sixteen.

Monday, November 15, 11:30 am (est)
“Jane Freilicher and Thomas Nozkowski: True Fictions” hosted by Sharon Butler with special guest, curator Eric Brown
True Fictions” is the first exhibition to pair the work of Jane Freilicher (1924-2014) and Tom Nozkowski (1944-2019). “The show comprises a selection of sixteen paintings from the artists’ last decades, when Freilicher’s paintings became pared down and more abstract. Rather than encouraging the divide between abstraction and representation, True Fictions collapses the distinction, presenting a novel pairing that helps us to see two bodies of work anew — each through the lens of the other.” Download the Clubhouse app to your phone, then join the conversation here.

Monday, November 8, 11:30 am (est)
“Dead Artists and Writers Society” hosted by Sharon Butler and Adam Simon
In their own words: We’ve uncovered some great audio files in the dusty corners of the internet. Join us to listen to the words of our elders. Featuring a 1981 presentation by Alice Neel and a 1997 interview with Agnes Martin. Join the conversation on the Clubhouse app here.

Monday, November 1, 11:30 (edt)
“NYC Galleries We’ve Never Been To, Part 2” hosted by Peter Dudek
Peter Dudek: “The number of galleries has grown exponentially. How can we visit them all? Which ones have you never been to? I’m sure you’ve been to ones I haven’t.” Joined by Monika Sosnowski, Rebecca Allen, and Sharon Butler.

Monday, October 25, 11:30 am (edt)
Conversation with the Underdonk collaborators / Bushwick
Hosted by Sharon Butler / Elisa Soliven, JJ Manford, Liz Ainslie, Leonora Loeb, Georgia Elrod talk about their art practices, curating Bushwick gallery Underdonk, and life beyond the studio. JJ currently has a solo @ Derek Eller. Download the Clubhouse app to your phone and join the conversation here.

Monday, October 18, 11:30 (edt)
“Going to the Meadow,” A conversation with Robin Hill and Ulla Warchol

Hosted by Sharon Butler / In “Going to the Meadow,” on view at ArtYard through December 30, Robin Hill and Ulla Warchol have invited 16 artists to collaborate on an exhibition that prioritizes process over outcome, the collective over the individual, play over work. “This exhibition invites artists from diverse backgrounds and disciplines to be in residence at ArtYard while engaging in tactile, verbal, and conceptual dialogues with one another. They begin with the question: What is it we collectively care about?”

Monday, October 11, 11:30 (edt)
“Material Chicago
A conversation with guest host Jean Alexander Frater, an artist who curates a studio-based gallery in Chicago called Material. She will discuss “Dealer’s Choice,” a 3-part collaborative project currently on view at Material, with artist Mike Lopez and show curator Lauren Leving. Follow Frater’s new club on Clubhouse at Material Chicago.

Monday, October 4, 11:30 (edt)
“NYC Galleries We’ve Never Been To” hosted by Peter Dudek
Peter Dudek: “The number of galleries has grown exponentially. How can we visit them all? Which ones have you never been to? I’m sure you’ve been to ones I haven’t.” Joined by Sarah Grass, Rebecca Allen, and Sharon Butler. Read more.

Monday September 27
“In Conversation,” 11:30 am (EDT)
Hosted by Sharon Butler / Danielle Mysliwiec, Rob de Oude, and Jean Alexander Frater join Two Coats of Paint to talk about their labor-intensive, process-based abstraction. Textile references, weaving, and a fascination with the underlying grid all loom large in their work, which is on view at McKenzie.

Monday, September 20, 11:30 (EDT)
“In Conversation”
/ Hosted by Peter Dudek. Peter is an artist, a partner and creative director at Bascom Lodge (an Arts-and-Crafts-style lodge at the peak of Mount Greylock in Massachusetts), and a faculty member at SVA and Hunter. Read an excerpt of the book is writing about teaching, at Two Coats of Paint. Stay tuned for more details about the special guests.

Monday, August 2
“Ask a Painter,”
11:30 am (EDT)
Hosted by Sharon Butler / Catherine Howe discusses hers opulent new paintings, on view at Winston Wachter Fine Art, New York through August 27.

Monday, July 26
“Ask a Painter,” 11:30 am (EDT)
Hosted by Sharon Butler / A discussion of “Love Devotion Surrender Dedication,” a painting show at Rick Wester Fine Art, 526 West 26th Street in Chelsea, with co-curators Mary Shah and Rick Wester, participating artists, including Tom McGlynn, Alyse Rosner, and Cat Balco. The show was inspired by, and dedicated to, the 1973 album Love Devotion Surrender by Carlos Santana and Mahavishnu John McLaughlin. Artists include Debe Arlook, Cat Balco, Sharon Butler, Max Kellenberger, Amanda Marchand, Tom McGlynn, Jill Moser, Stephen Mueller, Andy Richter, Alyse Rosner, Wendi Schneider, Andrew Schwartz, Mary Shah, Barbara Takenaga, Alex Turner, Lydia Viscardi, Nicole Wassall, Tenesh Webber, Alex Yudzon

Monday, July 19
“Two Coats Review of Books” hosted by Two Coats of Paint
Sharon Butler talks to sociologist Hannah Wohl who, in her new book Bound By CreativityHow Contemporary Art is Created and Judged, explores the notion of “creative vision” through the lens of the NYC art world. This is the book that can explain what we do to all to our families and non-art-world friends. Wohl is an assistant professor at the University of California at Santa Barbara. 11:30 am (EDT)

Monday, July 12
“Ask a Painter” hosted by Sharon Butler
A conversation with abstract painters Deborah Dancy, Erin O’Brien, Susan English, all of whom have work on view in a summer group show at Markel Fine Arts in Chelsea. 11:30 am (EDT)

Monday June 28
“Ask a Painter”
hosted by Two Coats of Paint
Sharon Butler leads a conversation with painter Sue Havens. Sharon contributed the catalogue essay for Sue’s solo show at the University of Las Vegas Marjorie Barrick Museum. Museum Director Alisha Kerlin, curator Jason Lazarus, and painter Stephen Westfall, join the discussion. 11:30am (EDT)

Monday, May 24
“Ask a Painter”
hosted by Two Coats of Paint
Sharon Butler talks to EJ Hauser about “Voyagers,” her solos show at Derek Eller, and Alyse Rosner about “Trusting the River,” her solo at Rick Wester Fine Art. 11:30am

Thursday, May 13
DUMBO Open Studios Marathon Art Conversation, hosted by Two Coats of Paint, organized by Sharon Butler to kick off DUMBO Open Studios.
9:30 – 10:00 AM: Introductory Remarks with host Sharon Butler and DOS organizer Ariel Willmott /Alchemic Sonic Environment “The Art and Science of Deep Listening,” an integrative experience designed to invoke states of reflection, receptivity and exchange. With Satya Hinduja.
10:00 – 10:45 AM: Host Matthew Deleget, artist and co-founder of Minus Space, a DUMBO gallery with an international roster of artists who focus on reductive art practices and contemporary abstraction, speaks with artists and special guests.
10:45 – 11:15 AM: Ceramicist Lauren Skelly Bailey hosts “Parenthood and Pots” with Regina Ferrell-Fagan.
11:15 – 12:00 PM: Hosts Beth Dary and Jeff Wallace will discuss Main Window DUMBO, an artist-run project since 1980, focused on bi-monthly, site-specific installations. Artists Amelia Carley, Patty Fabricant, Etty Yantiv, Cecile Chong, Paul Simmons, and Anne Peabody will discuss their experiences creating installations for the window.
12:00 – 1:00 PM: “Artists Showing Artists” with host Elizabeth Hazan, director of Platform Project Space. Patrick Neal will discuss his current solo exhibition. Artist Jennifer Coates will talk about curating exhibitions.
1:00 – 2:00 PM: Host Becky Sellinger will talk to the Smack Mellon resident artists Brian Hudson Huang, Catalina Ouyang, Dominica Garcia, Ezra Wube, Jesse Chung, Patricia Encarnacian
2:00 – 3:00 PM: Host Laura Karetzky will discuss “Painting the Narrative,” an exhibition at the National Arts Club in Gramercy Park. Artists in the show include Laura, Jennifer Coates, Judith Linhares, Ernesto Renda, Kyle Staver, and George Towne. She will be joined by some of them, as well as exhibition organizer Dee Shapiro.
3:00 – 4:00 PM: Host Teri Hackett will discuss studio life during lockdown, painting, and her current show, “Around the Bend,” on view at High Noon gallery. With gallery director Jared Linge.
4:00 – 5:00 PM: “What’s Good?” Host Alexi Worth envisions a bar-style dialogue with other Brooklyn artists and critics about current/recent exhibitions. Happy hour at 20 Jay Street.
5:00 – 6:00 PM: “Art for Social and Environmental Action” with host Samantha Taylor, who will discuss how art can inform and create dialogue about conservation, effect social change, and make our communities more equitable, both on the wall and on the move.

Monday, May 10 
“Conversations with…” hosted by Two Coats of Paint.
Guest host Adam Simon, Brooklyn artist and co-founder of legendary art projects Four Walls and the Fine Art Adoption Network will tease out ideas about the artist’s life. With Munro Galloway and Shirley Irons. 11:30 am

Monday, May 3
“Rote Beauty” hosted by Two Coats of Paint
Three artists whose work addresses lyricism and the sublime in a fleeting world. Zach Seeger leads the discussion with painters Ashley Garrett, Eric Hibet, and Andy Mister, 11:30 am

Monday, April 26
“Conversation with…” hosted by Two Coats of Paint
Elisabeth Condon leads a conversation with Carrie Moyer, on the occasion of Carrie’s knockout show at DC Moore. 11:30 am


Monday, April 19 
“Conversations With,” hosted by the Two Coats of Paint Club
Featuring conversations with rotating hosts. This week David Humphrey and Jennifer Coates discuss “Goya’s Graphic Imagination” at the Met and Wilhelm Sasnal’s solo at Anton Kern, 11:30 am.